Comments on: 10,000 Sentences: Input Before Output /10000-sentences-input-before-output/ You don't know a language, you live it. You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:09:19 +0900 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.13 By: Top Thai Language Learning Resources /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-1000571006 Fri, 27 Dec 2019 16:21:30 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-1000571006 […] 10,000 Sentences Input Before Output. […]

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By: Searching for a Thai Language Learning Style: SRS and More /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-1000571003 Fri, 27 Dec 2019 15:52:52 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-1000571003 […] led me to All Japanese All The Time Dot Com which led me to Input and 10,000 Sentences and […]

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By: Searching for a Thai Language Learning Style: SRS and More – Women Learn Thai … and some men too ;) /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-1000568626 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 08:39:57 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-1000568626 […] led me to All Japanese All The Time Dot Com which led me to Input and 10,000 Sentences and […]

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By: jkypark90 /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-1000054274 Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:28:49 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-1000054274 language acquisition*

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By: jkypark90 /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-1000054273 Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:27:17 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-1000054273 Hi! I just read some of your articles and just wanted to say that I’m really glad I finally found someone with whom I think I share all the thoughts about language learning acquisition. There is just so much BS out there… you know.
I’ll probably end up reading all your articles these days.

Just wanted to say that for now.
Thank you!

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By: Keep on Hacking, Samurai! | Samurai Mind Online /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-319156 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 12:27:01 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-319156 […] studying words in isolation is not the most efficient way to learn vocabulary.  Both antimoon and ajatt have both clearly laid out why using sentences and engaging content are the best way to acquire […]

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By: Otacon /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-306082 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:22:31 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-306082 That’s basically how I learned English, I spent my childhood watching Cartoon Network for hours every day and just picked up the language from it.

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By: Musings on learning Bangla « Boulder In The Aether /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-237810 Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:40:39 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-237810 […] seems like a powerful tool for vocabulary and grammar acquisition. See AJATT’s articles (1, 2, 3), Japanese Level Up’s posts (1, 2) on how (for Japanese)…and Living in the Middle […]

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By: The Input Hypothesis « Korean Diary /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-235241 Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:15:51 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-235241 […] Khatzumoto over at All Japanese All The Time created an entire blog, really, about this point. […]

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By: How not to learn a language | Quest for Epicness /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-224306 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:03:32 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-224306 […] (so to say) whole sentences and dialogues from books in the target language and learn them. Here, the method is explained, and right over here you can read what the best sources for sentence […]

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By: Emergency Studying Multiplying the Power of SRS, and How to Avoid Creating Bad Habits » Study Shack /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-206903 Mon, 14 May 2012 04:43:30 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-206903 […] in the Input Hypothesis of language learning that Khatzumoto discusses at AJATT in this article: 10,000 Sentences: Input Before Output. The idea in languages is that mammoth exposure to the language being learned will eventually allow […]

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By: Emergency Studying Multiplying the Power of SRS, and How to Avoid Creating Bad Habits | Study Shack /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-206866 Sun, 13 May 2012 20:38:30 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-206866 […] in the Input Hypothesis of language learning that Khatzumoto discusses at AJATT in this article: 10,000 Sentences: Input Before Output. The idea in languages is that mammoth exposure to the language being learned will eventually allow […]

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By: Major language learning mistakes « Ilhan M. Akcay /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-203322 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:14:49 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-203322 […] (so to say) whole sentences and dialogues from books in the target language and learn them. Here, the method is explained, and right over here you can read what the best sources for sentence […]

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By: Progress on life focuses: shifting my creative processes in life /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-165465 Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:01:06 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-165465 […] key thing I want to grasp is being able to natrually say some of these sentences over time through hearing/seeing/observing the accurate sentences over time. This benefits me a lot more than just writing sentneces. I won't say much right now, since […]

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By: Mr Dax /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-103012 Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:49:34 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-103012 “I’m sorry to contradict what you’re saying (not to be rude, but..) I’ve gotta put my two cents in here before someone gets hurt. >.<;"

Natalie, believe me , no one is being hurt here. As you see, people are enjoying in their L2,L3 etc…

"Ask any exchange student (or my now quad-lingual Sweedish friend): the best way to learn a language is to TALK.. You need to practice putting thoughts in your head into words. (not matter what the result is!) It is proof of what you are really retaining/can use on the fly."

So basically one can talk about things one doesn't know? Is there some kind of language source that we don't know (apart from the brain)?
Also, I am now in a foreign country and I am surrounded by exchange and foreign students, 99%of them were required to have at least intermediate knowledge of language (German) and then they were sent to special preparatory schools to reach C1 level in German. Four months, 5 days/week, 4h/day plus self learning.So you see, that is a lot of daily input.

"At the beginning of my stay in Japan, I tried the input-before-output method (I thought the same: If I can think things in Japanese, I will definitely be able to say them later!), and it failed miserably (MISERABLY!!!)."

So you decided to come to this site to warn others, not to make your mistakes and it is possible to think in a foreign language and not being able to speak. That is something new.
How much input did you put? 10 000 sentences. All Japanese All the Time?

"I only began becoming fluent when I made daily efforts to produce sentences and messages. So what if my grammar was a little off?"

So what is the difference between your method and AJATT? 10 000 sentences, most of them written also with the hand.

"I was always monitoring what I was hearing and saying, and listening to how native speakers word their sentences and use certain words. It didn’t take longer than a week for me to be able to fix a mistake I had been making for the past few months."

Again , explained several times on this site , how to imitate Native speaker.

I don’t speak English perfectly some of the time (everyone makes mistakes; even after being immersed in perfect English nearly my entire life), and I speak Japanese perfectly much less than that; but the point is I am making an effort and in turn making an improvement.

Everyone is making effort. The difference is that with AJATT you don't feel psychologically abused compared to regular classes, grammar drills, output pressure etc… You feel happy and in turn make better progress than "monitoring" obsessed individuals.

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By: Ken /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-60951 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 06:47:54 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-60951 Natalie said: “Ask any exchange student (or my now quad-lingual Sweedish friend): the best way to learn a language is to TALK..”

Actually, every single person I’ve ever asked who’s learned to speak my L1 (English) fluently has told me they’ve learned it from watching lots of TV. 🙂

The one downside I see is the occasional awkward moment. I was trying to read a Japanese book in a coffee shop recently, and some random guy comes up and asks (in Japanese) if I’m studying Japanese. I understood everything he said *perfectly*, but didn’t know how to answer! I stood there and nodded my head like an idiot. 「uh, はい?」

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By: Shadowing « Mikoto's Adventures in Japanese /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-56138 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:14:37 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-56138 […] than Output is anyways, and I do agree with them. Even AJATT’s got a say in the matter for inputing before outputting. I do not think you should jump on the Shadowing bandwagon too early if you’re really trying […]

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By: Natalie /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-31874 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:26:02 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-31874 I’m sorry to contradict what you’re saying (not to be rude, but..) I’ve gotta put my two cents in here before someone gets hurt. >.<;

Ask any exchange student (or my now quad-lingual Sweedish friend): the best way to learn a language is to TALK.. You need to practice putting thoughts in your head into words. (not matter what the result is!) It is proof of what you are really retaining/can use on the fly.
At the beginning of my stay in Japan, I tried the input-before-output method (I thought the same: If I can think things in Japanese, I will definitely be able to say them later!), and it failed miserably (MISERABLY!!!). I only began becoming fluent when I made daily efforts to produce sentences and messages. So what if my grammar was a little off? I was always monitoring what I was hearing and saying, and listening to how native speakers word their sentences and use certain words. It didn’t take longer than a week for me to be able to fix a mistake I had been making for the past few months.

I don’t speak English perfectly some of the time (everyone makes mistakes; even after being immersed in perfect English nearly my entire life), and I speak Japanese perfectly much less than that; but the point is I am making an effort and in turn making an improvement.

ps. I learned the kana before the kanji, and I wouldn’t have had it any other way. There will always be more kanji to learn, but being able to write in kana is a giant step towards being able to fully immerse yourself in Japanese. (being able to write the words you don’t know)

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By: Emergency Studying: Multiplying the Power of SRS, and How to Avoid Creating Bad Habits » Study Shack /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-31057 Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:13:33 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-31057 […] in the Input Hypothesis of language learning that Khatzumoto discusses at AJATT in this article: 10,000 Sentences: Input Before Output. The idea in languages is that mammoth exposure to the language being learned will eventually allow […]

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By: Searching for a Thai Language Learning Style: SRS and More | Women Learning Thai... and some men too ;-) /10000-sentences-input-before-output/#comment-26013 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:59:32 +0000 /10000-sentences-input-before-output#comment-26013 […] led me to All Japanese All The Time Dot Com which led me to Input and 10,000 Sentences and SRS. The 10000 Sentences method of language learning is similar to an assimilation-based […]

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