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Fri, 16 Mar 2012 04:40:50 +0000

[…] February 29, 2012By khatzumotoThis entry is part 2 of 6 in the series MCD RevolutionMCD Revolution10,000 Sentences Is Dead10,000 Sentences is Dead. Let the MCD Revolution Begin!What is it about these MCDs? Part 1: […]

By: Miss Languages

Miss Languages — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:26:16 +0000

I’d like more info about cloze deletion too, it’s high time this method became mainstream!

By: フーラン

フーラン — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:24:52 +0000

Same for me. I took all the parts of MCD I loved (+1 effect, highlighting instead of clozed and more context) and applied it to my old sentence deck.
MCDs just took too much time for me to review when I could have been reading all the books I was dying to read.

By: kalek

kalek — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:57:28 +0000

I returned to plain sentences too, after my ongoing MCD burnout since last November, and I’m loving it.

By: Thomas Smith

Thomas Smith — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:21:37 +0000

Yep! It was the slave, I was the master. It was getting annoying so I killed it, which you can do to a slave if you like, don’t forget. Hopefully this MCD thing will be more cooperative. In the meantime, the 8-day vacation from the sentence plantation is panning out rather nicely 😀

By: Matt

Matt — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:41:39 +0000

If SRS is preventing you from reading, ditch your SRS (or atleast the method in which you are using your SRS). It’s your slave, not your master. Only use an SRS where it helps, not hinders. Maybe MCDs will help, but more importantly, make sure you aren’t forcing yourself to do any SRS for anything that you just as easily enjoy without it.

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:40:30 +0000

I find it difficult to become interested in cloze deletion without some evidence that they are more effective than sentences. Is there any additional gain from using it? Does it increase recall at the expense of learning time?

By: Ken Seeroi

Ken Seeroi — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:03:45 +0000

Thanks for posting that link. That’s a very interesting site.

By: Matt

Matt — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:32:34 +0000

I suggest not thinking about it purely in terms of MCDs VS Sentences. MCDs to me was just realizing that I can make better cards by

1. simplifying the difficulty of each card, in trade for possibly more cards. This means on troublesome reading doesn’t cause 2 other easy readings to get over repeated and boring.

2. Lots of context is good, when you can get it and it makes sense.

3. Cloze Deletions can really help with particles and other grammar constructs.

For me, I didn’t ditch my plain jayne sentence deck. But I have been slowly increasing my deletes of bad cards, or fixing cards that I like that I think could be better designed. If you keep going from one extreme to the other, you may spend more time focusing on the technical format of your SRSing over fixing what things are uninteresting to you, and slowing your study down.

By: ナカツ

ナカツ — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:02:55 +0000

You deleted your entire deck?! I sure hope you like MCDs…

By: fangsryoga

fangsryoga — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:27:21 +0000

^ Part 10 on avoiding enumerations, when applied to MCDs, offers infinite possibilities for formatting for a specific purpose (i.e. practicing pure reading comprehension vs. guessing what is in the cloze).

By: fangsryoga

fangsryoga — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:17:58 +0000

Before you go dissing MCDs for their simplicity – they’re really not that simple, more elegant really – please read the following article on making effective cloze deletion cards. It was written by Piotr Wozniak (i.e. the dude that invented SRS) so he knows what he’s talking about.

20 rules of formulating knowledge
www.supermemo.com/articles/20rules.htm

By: brityan

brityan — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:11:10 +0000

You’ve waited this long to announce it on PORAB? Meaning everyone has been continuing with sentence decks this whole time??! That’s heartless!

By: ダンちゃん

ダンちゃん — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:15:05 +0000

Here it comes. Loving a return to plan Jane sentences myself. I just don’t spend any real time reading Japanese online.

My magic formula.

Read It Later (plugin) +
Yahoo.jp online dictionary +
Anki (vanilla sentences)

By: ライトニング

ライトニング — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:10:12 +0000

なんじゃこりゃ！？

By: Eri

Eri — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:37:09 +0000

Are you finally going to tell us non-AJATT+ers what MCDs are? If you are, I will forgive you for all your past sins (you know what I’m taking about).

By: 魔法少女☆かなたん

魔法少女☆かなたん — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:25:28 +0000

You’ll find out in 8 days, or you could google search “massive-context cloze deletion” and spoil the surprise.

By: ハックスリ

ハックスリ — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:10:00 +0000

どういう事ですかヽ〔ﾟДﾟ〕丿

By: Thomas Smith

Thomas Smith — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:43:21 +0000

I just deleted my entire deck of sentences (2300 and something). For the next 8 days, I can read the glistening pile of books I’ve been avoiding coz SRSing them felt like too much of a chore.
“Why hello Fun, I haven’t seen you since like week 3 of the project! How are you doing old freind? Oh me? Err, nevermind… we’ve got work to do…”
BTW, what’s MCD?

By: Sheryaar

Sheryaar — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:42:38 +0000

Glad you aren’t dogmatic about your methods
I take more from people that allow their ideas to change as they grow – let’s see what’s in the candy bag this time around.