Comments on: Critical Frequency and Soviet Special Forces Strength Training /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/ You don't know a language, you live it. You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:09:19 +0900 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.13 By: 涼鹿スタイン /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-1000031555 Thu, 30 May 2013 21:32:38 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-1000031555 Great comment/post indeed! This, to me, is the trick to a LOT of skills.

I recently started aikidou classes, in which you sit on the mats in 正座 for quite some time. To beginners, this can hurt. So during the week after the first class, I went and sat in 正座 at random moments throughout the day. Dinner? Why not practice sitting. Folding my clothes? Why not do this sitting thing. Most of the times it wasn’t for more than 5 mins.

‘Lo and behold, the next class I definitely held out longer than other students.

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By: Don’t Fight Your Parents: Parasitic Learning Over Antagonistic Competition | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-1000010145 Sat, 20 Apr 2013 22:37:37 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-1000010145 […] no prodigies; there are no sucky people. Our results are merely a near-perfect reflection of the frequency and absolute quantity of our practice and maintenance activities. That’s all the 10k hours […]

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By: Luke Doyle /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-301264 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:24:41 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-301264 Interesting article. If anyone else is interested in this related to musical development there is an important book called, “Effortless Mastery” by Kenny Werner (well known in jazz education circles). Same principle, the author after completely burning himself out started practicing a single note.

I experienced a period of massive development where I worked almost exclusively with timers and time limits (set to 5minutes max) and cycled through printe materials and exercises. Granted, I was already working in music professionally and had developed abilities to concentrate for longer periods of time on practice. But I worked my way through so much material. Success became addictive. I think tis is the same concept as ‘timeboxing’ and the ‘crack’ I’ve heard about here.

Anyway, I’m finding this site/blog very inspirational as it parallels my own excursions into the Korean language. Thanks for the top-notch content.

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By: Ken Seeroi /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-182645 Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:13:53 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-182645 I love this idea.  I used to be quite a runner, and this is exactly how I got good at it.  I just ran everywhere.  You know, anywhere you can walk, you can run.  And the more you run, the better you get at it.
I’ve done this with Japanese ever since Anki developed an iPod app.  Now, anytime I go anywhere–the kitchen, to check my mail, the bathroom–I grab my iPod and learn 30 seconds worth of Japanese.  If I have to wait for even an instant, in line or for a light to change, I learn a sentence or two.  Over the course of a day, it adds up to a solid hour, plus I’m never bored waiting anywhere.  
 

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By: Jake /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-148899 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:05:21 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-148899 Although I wasn’t aware of this technique at the time, I think it is what is to credit for me losing my (borderline full-on) lisp back when I was younger.

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By: 9999 Pushups « The Book of Revenant /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-82805 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:36:15 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-82805 […] to actually do nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine pushups2 this month. I’ve read about critical frequency over at AJATT and figured why not combine that idea with my love of numbers. I have a ticker application on my […]

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By: Amelia /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-63146 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 16:08:42 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-63146 Sorry, what I meant about it not working for dissertations is the literal thing (1-2 minutes several times a day), not timeboxing. Duh. I use timeboxing (the pomodoro method) in my dissertation. But that’s, like, a half an hour at a time, not the equivalent of a few pushups whenever I walk by my stack of books.

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By: kk /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-63037 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:54:45 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-63037 On the contrary, it does work for dissertations and longer theses. Usually, the advice is to work one chapter at a time anyway, i.e. break the huge dissertation down into more manageable chunks.

The challenge is more with organization than with timeboxing it. For example, the original post mentions starting a business. But, starting a business takes more than just brainstorming ideas. Eventually those ideas have to take form and additional work needs to happen if the business is going to be successful.

Ultimately, timeboxing gets you to the table, rather than procrastinating starting on the dissertation until you have a short time left and go nuts trying to get it done. If you hit it in short spurts repeatedly, the short spurts add up.

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By: Amelia /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-62864 Thu, 02 Dec 2010 19:53:21 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-62864 OK, so it won’t work for dissertations. They require massive amounts of time (reading, notetaking, writing) but if you had all day you could probably do it in bits here or there. The problem is having all your stuff around you.

The other problem is deep thinking, focus, and the flow state. These are clearly critical in some situations, but the question is when are they important? You wouldn’t play a video game like “Fable” or “Assassin’s Creed” in tiny bits because you wouldn’t enjoy it. The whole point is flow. So when else is it necessary? I like the theory about doing things tiny bits over flow for languages and exercise because clearly here it is appropriate. And “The Talent Code” suggests it’s also appropriate for music. I guess I’m trying to figure out when we need to focus for longer than a few minutes to build skills and when we don’t. I think endurance is the key: I’m training for an ultra-marathon, so tiny bits of running aren’t going to be as helpful (though they’re part of my training). But it’s not the only factor: logical thinking and puzzle-solving require deep thought. So I think different tasks will need different approaches.

After my comment I realized I have been adopting this idea to meditation. It occurred to me that meditating for a long time is too hard, but it may not be necessary anyway–I want to bring clear thinking and mindfulness into my daily life, so why not practice it several times a day for just a few minutes? So I keep a timer on me that goes off at set times during the day so I can clear my head and center myself before going on with what I was doing. I was thinking of transitioning from this into longer meditation, but really why bother? I am less interested in endurance than I am in building a certain mindset. And it’s been surprisingly effective. The only caveat is I absolutely must keep it up or I lose the effects.

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By: きのこ /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-62814 Thu, 02 Dec 2010 14:57:25 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-62814 That sounds awesome. I’ve been doing the whole “20 pushups a day” thing, and I can tell you it’s a real chore both physically and mentally. I’ll try doing just one pushup, or just two whenever I step into my room. It sounds like that will work a million times better.

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By: Rochella /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-62590 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:26:50 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-62590 I’ve never had to write a dissertation, but I’ve done essays like this. I’ll spend a few moments to write out the outline, a few minutes to write out my theme, a few minutes to think about exactly topic points for each paragraph, a few minutes to write out supporting data/references for those points, ect.

Little segments throughout the day. Then actually writing out the thing literally takes only 15 mins (for a standard 5 paragraph essay, 5-6 sentences each paragraph). It seems because I was gradually thinking about it all day my ideas just swelled up and burst out with the guidance I already set up.

Then coming back later I edit for a few minutes. Come back later edit for a few minutes. Till its tweaked exactly the way I wanted. I find coming back later actually improves the quality of the papers by hundred-folds, because it almost gave me a new way of seeing the paper as if I were a different person (not really sure how to explain this, but artists often get into their work so much that if they step back for a few days they realize shaping mistakes much more).

I got really great grades this way with all my papers. Good luck on your dissertation though. What’s the worse that could happen trying this out for a portion of it anyhow?

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By: あんど /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-62467 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:23:00 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-62467 You raise a great point. I think that perhaps the issue might already have been mentioned in the original comment, though. This one line in particular:
“Guys who put this theory into practice, a month or two later were reporting amazing results like going from 10 to 20 pullups in a single set despite having never practiced doing more than 5 at any one time.”
suggests to me that perhaps working on something a little bit at a time will build your ability to work on it in greater chunks. So if, like me, you can’t sit down and write a paper for any longer than five minutes, maybe that’s fine. Maybe working on it just the five minutes that you can every so often will eventually cause you to grown into such a work flow that you can work for longer periods of time.

How this might apply to language acquisition: I know that in the first few months of immersion, I used to have a horrendous time of trying to read or do much of anything in my target language, since I couldn’t understand hardly any of it. So I’d end up reading something for two minutes here, two minutes there, never really reading anything for any “respectable” length of time. But eventually, I had done so many of those two-minute bursts that I’d gained such an understanding of the language that allowed me to focus on what I was reading for longer periods of time. Now I can sit with a Wikipedia article and struggle through the whole thing. 😛

Again, whether this can apply to everything or not, I don’t know. 😛 I certainly wouldn’t consider myself qualified enough to make that call. But I can say that if given the choice between writing a paper for five minutes here and there and not writing the paper at all, I’m definitely gonna take the five-minute writing sessions. And who knows? Maybe at some point I’ll get into such a groove that I can’t stop. 😀

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By: Amelia /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-62453 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:49:11 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-62453 This is great–thanks for the post (and re-post). I love the concept and expanding it to other skills…particularly the weight training book, which I seem to have missed and am checking out now.

But I don’t think we should assume this is the way to go for everything. Deep focus and (the flow state) is also key to productivity. I don’t know if writers would do better to write for one long or many short periods of time, but clearly some things are going to take a long time to do (my dissertation requires a lot of reading and thinking) and some things are done better with a long time (complex thought comes from sustained focus, even spread out over the course of many hours with interruption).

I know the Talent Code talked about leaps in skill acquition in only a few minutes, so this focus thing may be less necessary than I think. It would be interesting to know when it really is important and when it isn’t. (CAN I write my dissertation in bits throughout the day rather than in giant chunks?)

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By: Ken /critical-frequency-and-soviet-special-forces-strength-training/#comment-62432 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:37 +0000 /?p=3357#comment-62432 My favorite new timeboxing tool: the microwave oven. You put something in for 3 minutes, and now you’ve got 3 free minutes, and at the end of that it starts beeping loudly and smelling like hot food, so you can’t go over, even by a little.

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