Comments on: Don’t Plan Your Day, Plan Your Environment /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/ You don't know a language, you live it. You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:09:19 +0900 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.13 By: Where Does Memory Exist in the Brain? - Mandarin Blueprint /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-1000562693 Thu, 13 Sep 2018 05:02:21 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-1000562693 […] handicapping your memory, so don’t throw it out, but turn it into a small cog in the machine of Sinocizing your environment. […]

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By: The Power of Morning and Evening: Samurai Slumbering–Samurai Rising « Samurai Mind Online /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-215801 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:10:29 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-215801 […] your energy on managing your immediate environment, the 3-foot wide country that is you — especially at these two critical times – and you may […]

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By: There is No Such Thing as a Perfect Language Student | Lingomi Blog /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-185314 Sun, 29 Jan 2012 02:08:51 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-185314 […] has good advice on this: create your environment and plan your environment for learning your language. To avoid the temptation of watching US TV or reading too much news, […]

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By: Chagami /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-81670 Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:42:31 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-81670 I’m doing Heisig too and would highly recommend every Japanese learner uses it to learn the Kanji, but if you find it boring and have a different way of learning Kanji that you prefer, then you should go your own way.

Like, if the options are not doing anything, or doing things in a cumbersome way, I think the second option is the obvious solution 🙂

Anyway, ブライアン, I think I’m going to take your suggestion of glaming up my stories. Due to laziness, I just go with the default stories. This is fine for now; I don’t necessarily enjoy doing my reps, though I don’t think it’s a chore either. But at the same time, I think the best way to overcome burnout is to prevent it. :p

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By: Neige /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-81407 Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:50:08 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-81407 One thing that may help with reading is reading a story you already know and like, for example, reading the manga version of your favorite anime.

I started reading at about kanji 300. The first book I read was the 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱 light novel, I chose that book because I liked the anime version and even though I understood almost nothing, when I did recognize some kanji, I usually was able to situate myself in the story and was able to somewhat guess the meaning of the surrounding text.

Little by little I have completed the first 4 涼宮ハルヒ books.

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By: ブライアン /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-81204 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:37:48 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-81204 I wouldn’t say it’s *impossible* to learn kanji from sentences. But it’s going to be very, very frustrating. Not because kanji are difficult, but there is are a fair amount of subtleties — 未 (not yet) vs. 末 (extremity) for example. And as a result, having a single clear keyword for every character makes it easier to learn compounds. So, given 未来 (future) you can remember it as (not yet)+(come) rather than “oh, that one tree-like one and the other with horns in it.”

Heisig can be boring if you let it. The trick is not to let it. Fill your stories with pop culture references and dirty jokes that would get you suspended in high school. Innuendo, violence, puns. There are a lot of ways to make it more interesting.

When it comes down to it, kanji are the basis of all Japanese — spoken and written. They’re also one of the few parts of the language that lends itself to systematic study. 20 a day for 3 and a half months and you’ll be *done*. There’s no way you’ll pick up kanji that quickly and completely through immersion.

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By: Colton /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80902 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 02:05:50 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80902 Yeah, that’s pretty much what I do. It seems to be getting better, too, albeit slowly. Managed to fall asleep listening to Japanese today, so I’m apparently doing better than I was before (couldn’t sleep because of it).

Thanks for the reply

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By: Eri /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80797 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:17:26 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80797 Well, I guess I can’t avoid it forever, but I have to admit that I’m not doing Heisig. Nor will I ever do it. I did start it a while ago (before I even found this site actually) but I found it extremely boring so I quit. After finding this site I decided to try it again, but I couldn’t do it. It bored me too much. Reading this site some more I figured “if you’re learning grammar, words, and everything else from sentences, why can’t you learn the Kanji too?” But this could be because I don’t have the mind set that most Japanese learners seem to have that “Kanji is the hardest part of the language”. I’d say the grammar is, but then again it’s not the difficult either…

And I don’t go on most sites like Twitter or Facebook or any of that. I rarely use my Livejournal account, and when I do it’s to find doujinshi. I don’t even go on Youtube that often. If I want to watch something it’ll usually be an anime. In that case I’ll either download it or use the DVDs I have and set the language to Japanese with no subtitles (funi is awesome like that). The Japanese sites I do go on are either art sites are fanfic sites. Videogames are the best thing for me to do in Japanese I guess 😉

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By: Eri /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80792 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:08:06 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80792 When AJATT ceases to exist; because I’ll always come here no matter what 😉 And anyone coming here is obviously not going full Japanese.

I already go to mostly Japanese websites. There’s just the odd one that isn’t I still go to. like deviantART, because if I didn’t go there everyday I’d have piles of messages everyday. I’ll go to more and more Japanese sites when I can understand more. I know the whole ‘point’ of AJATT is to go to them even when you know nothing, but I’m putting my own twist on it. I’m sure Khatz won’t strike me with lightening just because I’m trying to make it a little more fun for myself. After all, that’s the real point of AJATT.

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By: ブライアン /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80618 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:11:06 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80618 Do you know the kanji yet? If not, you’re not really even at the beginning yet; go pick up Heisig and get going. In the meantime, English won’t kill you, but looking at Japanese can be pretty rewarding in its own way (“hey, I *know* these kanji!”).

If you’ve done Heisig, you’ve got no real reason *not* to read Japanese. Go to a site, open up your dictionary in another tab. Find a sentence you want to understand. Parse it, look it up, try to understand. Move on if you get bored or stop caring. Rinse and repeat. It’s slow going at first, but it’ll get quicker the more you do it.

Find a topic you care about. Got a favorite anime? Look it up on the JP Wikipedia. Are you a musician? Find a Japanese blogger who plays your instrument (I personally follow a few guitarists’ blogs.) Other ideas: go read a manga you read in English. Get a ニコニコ動画 account. Play through a visual novel. Follow random/famous Japanese people on Twitter.

(And for what it’s worth, you don’t have to completely abandon English; just get as close as possible.)

Also, I very much agree with 魔法少女☆かなたん’s (nice handle, btw) suggestion. For me, Facebook, last.fm, and Youtube were in Japanese from day one. (And I have, in fact, picked things up as a result of this.)

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By: Neige /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80411 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:19:57 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80411 I’ve been stuck with tinnitus for years now and the best way I found to attenuate its effect on my concentration is by listening to music in the background. I’ve been doing this with success well before starting AJATT, I just switched what I listen to when I started learning Japanese.

Providing a varying aural stimuli seems to counteract the constant stimuli of the tinnitus.

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By: Chagami /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80340 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:06:27 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80340 www.mediafire.com/?c6clpr76vd16kbs

That is a txt of the Kanji in Heisig order, with stories! (Note that the stories aren’t the same as Heisig’s, but they serve the same purpose.)

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By: Chagami /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80338 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:02:18 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80338 “One day I shall go full Japanese” ..if not now, when?

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By: Chagami /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80335 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:53:58 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80335 I second the Rikaichan suggestion. 🙂

I’m only 300 deep into RTK, so really, I’m in the same boat. So I think at this stage, time management is what you should be worrying about. Like, if you’re talking about Facebook and Perez Hilton, then just press alt-f4 (Mac: command-Q) and go from there. But if you’re talking about places that will directly benefit your Japanese study, then it’s okay, but keep your time there at a minimum.

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By: TomatoGraffiti /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80240 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:45:26 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80240 Are you speaking of yourself, personally? Are you just starting out and barely know even hiragana?

If that’s the case, then I still think it’s a good idea to stay surrounded by Japanese whether it be text or audio. Even if you’re skeptical of it, you -will- pick things up as you go along. Besides, how do you ever expect to learn something if you’re not exposed to it, right?

Though, I do understand–it can get a little boring/tedious when you don’t understand much of what’s going on. In that case, I suggest watching a lot of fun shows, not just anime, but variety shows and dramas. They tend to be very entertaining and you’ll likely hear some words over and over again and learn them. The same goes with reading–if you keep coming across certain words or kanji, look them up.

If you use the Firefox browser, why don’t you try the Rikaichan add-on if you haven’t already? Very handy!

Sorry if that was a little long-winded. Good luck!

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By: Zxvwt /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80233 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:26:35 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80233 @Eri

After reading through my post again, I realize that I sound a little combative in it. I don’t mean to be the parent saying, “You better take your medicine and you better like it!”

You’re right about kids. So copy their behavior. Avoid reading and go play a video game. The only difference between you and them is that even if they don’t consciously look at it, their surroundings are all in their target language. They may not care about reading, but the books in their house are all in their target language. When they do start reading, they have tons of material at their fingertips. And they’ve been exposed to it frequently already.

To be more succinct: don’t read. Play. Have fun. Just make sure it’s in Japanese. While you’re having fun, learn the kanji. Once you’ve got a large number of kanji under your belt, then try reading again.

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By: Eri /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80221 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:47:28 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80221 Well, I meant that in the case of ‘reading’. Not simply language… I’m sure children don’t learn to read from their peers. Because their peers care about it just as much as they do: probably not at all.

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By: Ken /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80196 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:12:08 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80196 “what children do: wait to learn it in school and for the mean time ask their parents”

They don’t. Studies of children’s language, especially in cases where their school and parents use different dialects, show that children overwhelmingly learn language from listening to their peers, not their schools or parents. There’s nothing like the shame of peer pressure to get kids to do something!

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By: 魔法少女☆かなたん /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80179 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:09:49 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80179 Instead of going to “Japanese sites” per se, there’s always the option of switching the language settings on a site you know pretty well to Japanese. With YouTube for example, it’s not too difficult to figure out what 評価する means or that clicking 追加先 and then お気に入り, you can add(追加) a video to your favourites(お気に入り).

Or when reading an English Wikipedia page, take a look at the Japanese one for a few seconds, too. Just take a look. You don’t have to try to read the whole thing.

These are immediate attainable goals (and they’re fun, too, if you love Japanese language), better than jumping right into a big wall of text you can’t read and worrying about whether something is total immersion. You’ll get to complete immersion through the little things.

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By: Rout /dont-plan-your-day-plan-your-environment/#comment-80095 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:08:00 +0000 /?p=3979#comment-80095 Well, I have a perfect excuse for having some English here and there – my English still needs improving! Especially spoken English. But both spoken and written are far from native-level, in my opinion. But it’s been my dream to learn Japanese for years now, I won’t give up so easily.

I just need to figure out a way to go through Heising’s book without inputting the stories into SRS seem like a hassle…

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