Comments on: If You’re Ever Stuck Between Two Languages, Pick the Less “Useful” One /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/ You don't know a language, you live it. You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:09:19 +0900 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.13 By: Dutch Project Notes #1 – the book-bound polyglot /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000545325 Thu, 07 Apr 2016 20:47:21 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000545325 […] to be the most intriguing. German would be the wise choice, but, AJATT’s Khatzumoto says in this article, picking the less “useful” but more intriguing language tends to lead to extended study […]

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By: Maz /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000512522 Tue, 06 Jan 2015 15:04:07 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000512522 This is fabulous, and so true its obvious! We’re in a society where everything we do has to be justified with what career we’ll be able to make out of it. Pressure comes from so many sides…its nice to have a refreshing take on this issue 🙂 I’ve been having this internal argument with myself for a long while.

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By: Ion /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000507205 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:38:17 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000507205 I’m Romanian. Fluent in English, Spanish. Pretty good in French and Portuguese – I would say B2.1 or B2.2 level. I’m looking to learn a Asian language – Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese and Russian. I think it’s doable learning two languages at the same time, but my experience shows that you have to focus 1 or 2 weeks on one language, let the new info settle and switch to the other one in the meantime. The languages need not to be similar – I had some problems learning Spanish and Portuguese at the same time and confusing words and pronuncition. The problem with Chinese, as Thomas put it, is that they don’t have enough new cultural quality products to attract you. It is still a controlled country and culture is still not at the same level as their industry. Let’s wait another 10-15 years and see what happens. Go to wikipedia home page. Look how many entries are for Chinese and how many for Japanese. Russia and even Poland have more entries. Something is wrong there.

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By: chrissy /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000141271 Tue, 03 Jun 2014 01:45:07 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000141271 Do you think someone can become proficient in two languages at the same time, or people should just stick to one language first?

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By: Pingfa /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000058995 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 01:53:55 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000058995 I can emphasise with this. I had this issue with Mandarin too. You are right that it is lacking in quality media compared to many places in the west and developed developed asian countries like Japan. There are some good ones to be found, though, I could recommend some.
Hong Kong also has a very developed movie industry and a number of shows with Mandarin dubs.
There are plenty of western movies dubbed in Mandarin but chances are you won’t be able to find a lot of them through official sources. QVOD is the easiest way to find Mandarin dubs, you should be able to find Mandarin dubs of most popular animations with QVOD (the downside is you can’t be sure what you are downloading is very safe; my scanner has found issues with QVOD downloads before, though nothing particularly harmful).

Now if you really want to watch Japanese media, lucky for you Taiwanese are Japanophiles. You should be able to find Mandarin dubs of most popular Japanese anime and translations of popular manga. I could recommend some.

So, there may be hope yet. Nonetheless, if the language is really getting you down, don’t bother. You don’t need it. You don’t decrease in value for not learning another language.

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By: Pingfa /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000058992 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 01:30:04 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000058992 “Why aren’t you patrolling the streets, checking the windows for babies, huh? Don’t you care about babies?!”

Hah, this reminds me of the many morons on Youtube spouting jibba jabba like ‘there are people dying in Iraq right now and you are watching videos on Youtube!’
There are starving kids in Africa and you are writing articles!
There was an earthquake in Taiwan and you are watching TV!
Global warming is killing the earth and I’m typing this nonsense!

The one thing we have that is ours alone is choice. When you limit yourself to what is conventionally acceptable you might as well give away your soul while you’re at it because you won’t be using it, if you let the rest of the world dictate what you do with it.

We will never get around to doing all the things we ‘should’ do, it’s not possible. You won’t read 1/1000000000000000000+ of the books you ‘should’ read in your lifetime. You can, however, read whatever you want right now.

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By: I’m in Hawaii, Learning Korean | Jeff弁 /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000058919 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:18:05 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000058919 […] endeavor. I’ve been wanting to learn Korean for awhile, but always wrote it off as being  less “useful” than other languages. But since moving here I’ve met a ton of native Korean speakers, so […]

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By: 魔法少女☆かなたん /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000058914 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:06:32 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000058914 All the time you’ve spent on Mandarin is sunk costs. You’re not getting it back. You need to focus on something that gives back to you.

Since you’re in Taiwan, where there a lot of people who LOVE Japanese stuff, you should be able to find originally Japanese materials in Mandarin, if you want to read and listen to that. Nobody said you couldn’t do that, and it’s not any less authentic Mandarin.

Otherwise, don’t waste your time. No, seriously, don’t waste your time. If you’re going to leave the country anyway, go ahead and live in your “laowai bubble”.

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By: Thomas Smith /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000058898 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 05:02:11 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000058898 Any advice for a fool who’s backed himself into a corner?

==WARNING: If you don’t want to read about my First-World Problems, look away now

I started French for pure fun, enjoying French indie cinema, French politics, French pop, awesome BD’s, and soaking up Hugo In The Original French (no ponciness here, it was a guilty pleasure), and French ladies. I still enjoyed US and UK shows, and didn’t want to give them up, but so much was dubbed, so I enjoyed those too, as a Frenchman would. Love of culture first, fluency as a consequence. Job done.

I started Mandarin for pure fun, the sounds pleased me, the characters were beautiful, and as that initial coolness wore off I wrongly assumed there would be a culture of similar interest to me. But I was wrong. There are a few gems, but mostly there is very little I enjoy. (Zero disrespect to Chinese/Taiwanese culture as such, it’s just not for me. Peace and love!) There is (almost) nothing I enjoy in films and pop culture. The weibo world just makes me sad. And it is definitely NOT for lack of looking. The stuff simply isn’t there. And as for Western media, next-to-nothing is dubbed.

Literally the only thing keeping me interested is getting to a level to read the old school books.

To make matters worse, I’m stuck in Taiwan for a year. Wonderful people, but nothing beyond that.

Meanwhile, I have been drawn into Japanese stuff. Loads and loads and loads of it. I listen and watch all the time, when I “should” be listening to Mando. I can’t understand a word, but I don’t care. It’s fun, it’s interesting, it’s well-produced, it’s even funny. It’s LOVEable. I listen and watch while I do my Mando MCDs.

My dilemma – I don’t want to stop, because I feel like I’ve committed too much, because not getting to fluency would feel like a failure, because I don’t want to have “wasted” my time, because I don’t want to be in a laowai bubble in Taiwan and, more positively, because I will maintain a mild, half-arsed interest for the rest of my life, especially in old literature.

On the other hand – Anki and listening to schyte for hours a day for another 365 days is a bleak prospect.

So do I crack on for one more year, until I can put it to bed as a job well done, if not particularly enjoyed, and enjoy the marginal interest and growth after the Final Sh## Year? And then dive into the AJATT 5-10 year dream of becoming a third Japanese (I’m already half French :D)? A Japano-Franco-Anglophile, with a mild like of Mandarin.

Or do I do AJATT in Taiwan, starting this week? A Japano-Franco-Anglophile, who once f###ed up and “wasted” two years studying a language, and a third living in a country in isolation.

I know Khatz made a similar decision with Canto vs Mando, but he eventually did both, he was just choosing which one *first*. My choice is *whether* “mild interest” is enough to justify.

I would genuinely love to hear your advices, *especially* if you’ve faced a similar problem yourself.

And would it be sane or insane to attempt Mando intermediate and Japanese beginner simultaneously? (Bear in mind French advanced ticks away in the background.) The internet seems to be awash with people who’ve been chasing two rabbits for ages, and still have yet to catch either.

Again I would genuinely love to hear your advices.

And apologies for putting a big downer in people’s happy place!

🙂

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By: Oli M /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000058884 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 00:11:59 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000058884 面白い。 I think I remember Chad Fowler makes a similar argument in The Passionate Programmer–in his example a programmer who loves/is obsessed with Smalltalk sets herself apart from the bunch of people with just Java, Java, and more Java on their resumes.

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By: jeffbbern /if-youre-ever-stuck-between-two-languages-pick-the-less-%e3%80%8cuseful%e3%80%8d-one/#comment-1000058893 Sat, 21 Sep 2013 17:59:30 +0000 /?p=26432#comment-1000058893 If You’re Ever Stuck Between Two Languages, Pick the Less “Useful” One | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time t.co/07pNOlGTHo

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