Comments on: Stop Mystifying Japanese /stop-mystifying-japanese/ You don't know a language, you live it. You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:09:19 +0900 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.13 By: It’s Easy | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-1000565385 Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:38:26 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-1000565385 […] Stop Mystifying Japanese […]

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By: 李便神 /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-1000013674 Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:11:59 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-1000013674 When I burnout from L2 reading all day, I imagine if I was born with English not being my native language, how ridiculously harder English would be to master as an L2 than any other language in the world. English grammar, what da shiz?! And irregularities..

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By: Hetty /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-303377 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:27:08 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-303377 I really appreciate your take on language learning. It is very refreshing. Years ago I tried to teach myself Japanese. I pieced together a notebook full of vocabulary and kana. Then I kind of let it go for a few years. I picked it up again a couple of months ago but now I’m approaching it entirely differently. I’m taking my lessons in small bites and I keep going back over what I’ve already covered. I found Japanese radio stations online and have been listening to talk radio while I play Diablo. I watch Japanese cooking shows and anime without subtitles and when I hear words I recognize but can’t recall the definition of, I look them up. That repetition is helping and I don’t feel like I’m putting in much effort.

I liked your comment about how babies manage to learn their home language just as fast as any other baby learns theirs. I have told friends and family this many times when they try to point out that one language is harder than another.

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By: hermanblue /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-74542 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 06:30:46 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-74542 Call me victious. I am used to not caring too much about people mystiying the language I learn. The more they do that, the more scarce a skill it becomes for someone who enventually succeds in the language.

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By: Elisianna /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-30917 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:11:53 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-30917 Well said =P There is nothing I hate more than people saying “blah blah is the hardest language to learn” no matter what bloody language it is.

I kinda go the opposite way of a lot of people though… I always tell everyone how easy Japanese is, especially in the beginning. This coming from someone who has taken German, French, Spanish and Italian… as soon as I came upon this language where we didn’t have to spend the entire lesson conjugating bloody verbs I was happy.

When people start whining about Katakana, Hiragana and Kanji (Oh my!!) I tell them I taught myself Katakana and Hiragana in a couple of days and retained it… and Kanji is so much fun to learn =P

English is a ridiculous language. I am so happy it is my first language, because I sure as hell wouldn’t want to learn it. (And I do not understand why it is so “cool” to foreign people… I read a lot of foreign magazines (especially Japanese) and they go crazy with the English.

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By: HiddenSincerity /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-26611 Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:39:59 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-26611 @Vin Kim

What isn’t true is your reference.

Smelling some fine grade BS when I saw the title of the article, I actually checked the reference the lying idiots at Wikipedia used to support that statement and it says nothing of substance about Korean definitely taking the longest to learn of all the worlds 6000+ languages and dialect. .

What it (the reference, not the article) does say is that it has been found that toddlers begin to use a particular grammatical pattern in Korean at around age five, although there is evidence they understand it before hand. This is mentioned almost in passing, in a context talking about Chinese.

Also, Wexler, the author of the piece reference appears to be following a Chomskian perspective of language acquisition, which is … how to put this kindly … 40+ year old dribble from a man who was so well trusted that the rest of the linguistic community didn’t bother testing out his hypotheses and people who believe it nowadays should be shoved in a room and made to watch Prison Break season 4 for days and days and days until they repent … or come up with some actual evidence.

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By: Vin Kim /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-26597 Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:13:37 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-26597 >every single hearing baby on Earth somehow managed to learn every single language on Earth within the same amount of time, and began speaking at the same amount of time, and developed the same oral/aural vocabulary in the same amount of time

This isn’t true. Korean takes the longest time for toddlers to learn. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardest_language

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By: Paula /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-23259 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:16:23 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-23259 Reading through some points on kanji… wow. I have been studying Japanese for about a year (more like, 1 year 3 months ago I decided to start learning) and I know about 300 kanji, give or take a couple. That isn’t nearly as fast as I would wish, but seeing other examples here… well, ah,… I feel encouraged?

One thing: to this I disagree: “Full competence in one’s mother tongue is acquired early, but writing has to be learned separately and much later.” My native language is Spanish, which I learned to read within my first two years (my writing… was somewhat correct but crap back then though)

I find Japanese to be very simple… (but of course, very different from both Spanish and English). I can (finally) understand some of the Ontama show for the group capsule (finally) and other music interviews (not in their entirety, but quite a bit… my goal now is to understand full videos).

Thanks for the posts, always motivate me.

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By: Bel /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-22730 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:12:07 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-22730 Everyone’s like ‘JAPANESE IS SO HARD’ and I don’t think it is. It’s DIFFERENT, and it takes awhile to learn, but that doesn’t make it HARD. If you just have the right mindset while learning, Japanese isn’t hard. Kanji are annoying as hell and I struggle with them, but the Japanese language as a whole is just DIFFERENT, not hard. English I think is one of the hardest languages in the world. Everyone says “No, it’s easy!” and that’s because they speak it natively. I do too, but I’ve looked into the linguistics of it and it’s history and it’s complicated as hell! Japanese is much easier than English. Good article!

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By: shou /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-22710 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:47:16 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-22710 >Some experiments have shown that kanji are processed faster in the brain than phonetic systems; I certainly find that kanji pack a lot of meaning-per-pixel. Meanwhile, many countries that use the supposedly simpler Roman alphabet — even Romance-language-speaking countries that don’t have the phonetic gap of English — have crappy literacy rates. Don’t even get me started about adult illiteracy in the US.

wow, this is inspiring

thanks for khatzumoto for lifting up beginners in studying learn Japanese, like me.

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By: Mani /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-22408 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:39:17 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-22408 As french, I dont consider english as an easy langage, because its full of “two words components”.
There are so many situations were you have to know the meaning of this two (or more) words stuck together… English is closest to the most mysterious chinese kanjis in many senses.
There is, too often, no logic, but knowledge.

And now I’ll have a look on japanese, it can’t be worst!

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By: mpz /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-16248 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:33:40 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-16248 I don’t entirely agree with the notion that kanji representation of words makes Japanese somehow special or faster to read than English because the meaning is imbued in the logographs.

I don’t read English text letter by letter, sounding them out in my head. I read and understand words directly, much like I pick up the meaning instantly when I see a kanji compound. Given that English pronounciation and writing have become separated to such a large extent, I have no problems treating English words as just another form of logographs. They’re made up of letters, just like kanji is made up of components.

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By: Fryie /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-9471 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:12:48 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-9471 As a student of linguistic but without more than some basic knowledge of Japanese, I tend to agree. I’m also positive that all languages are roughly equal in complexity (yes, it is incredibly difficult for an European speaker to learn a native American language like Lakhota, but that’s because they have other ways of thinking – so it would be equally difficult for the native American without European influence to learn, say, French), but I also have to add that language is not writing. Full competence in one’s mother tongue is acquired early, but writing has to be learned separately and much later. Also, spoken and written language follow different rules, the latter changing and adapting much slower and being more subject to authoritative decisions than the former. To me, this also means that there CAN be differences in the complexity of writing systems although I’m not experienced on that subject and can’t provide details. However, still admitting my lack of knowledge on the subject of Chinese and Japanese, it wouldn’t seem that wrong to me if one were to say that WRITING Japanese (or Chinese) is harder than writing, say, Italian (I didn’t want to pick English because of its horribly outdated orthography which has no more reason to exist than ASCII encoding or QWERTY keyboards have). At least, if you learn how to pronounce an Italian word, you should almost always be able to write it down; but this does not hold for a logographic writing where in fact you have to learn to different representations for each word, a spoken and a written one, which bear no systematic relation.

That said, I still disagree with the “OMG I CAN NEVER LEARN THAT LANGUAGE” bullshit that can often be heard. I’m confident I could learn every language I wanted to if I had enough time to do so.

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By: M /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-9469 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:25:28 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-9469 People keep on telling us that it’s so hard. You eventually come to believe it.

Thanks khatzumoto for changing that and giving us motivation.

To your method in general I have to say though, that although I don’t doubt that it works for you and many people who try to follow you, it might be a too strong strain on one’s social life for most people. Nevertheless, this doesn’t change the facts you stated.

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By: mjaynec /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-9358 Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:59:22 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-9358 I started using Heisig’s book about two weeks ago and I’ve already done about 500 kanji. I was talking to a friend of mine who has been studying Japanese for three years, and when I told her about my progress she was floored. She said that she knows over 100 kanji. She happens to be one of the people that goes on and on about how hard and confusing the kanji are, but I introduced her to the Heisig method so hopefully that will change.

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By: Takeshi Gaijin /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-9295 Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:38:14 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-9295 Some 3rd year Japanese students at my Uni were telling me how it takes 20 years to learn kanji! With that belief in their head, they’ll never learn it anway.

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By: Steven /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-2597 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:04:34 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-2597 NHK also has some videos with scripts.
www3.nhk.or.jp/news/

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By: Glenn /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-2584 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:43:08 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-2584 For news, I like ANN News. Just search that on Google and it should be one of the first hits. I’ve found that the “script” matches the video better than it does for FNN.

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By: Joe /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-2532 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:11:53 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-2532 Great points, as usual: the more mystical and rarefied you make Japanese, the more forbidding it appears to learners.

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By: beneficii /stop-mystifying-japanese/#comment-2464 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:49:21 +0000 /stop-mystifying-japanese#comment-2464 Lingo,

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I wonder if they pulled the “adults can’t learn as well as children” routine at that point.

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