Comments on: The Eternal Sorrow of the Intermediate Learner: “Are We There Yet?” Syndrome /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/ You don't know a language, you live it. You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:09:19 +0900 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.13 By: What Can A Dancer Teach You About Learning Japanese? | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-1000549957 Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:37:27 +0000 /?p=394#comment-1000549957 […] Things always look sucky in the middle of the journey away from Sucksville, not because they actually are (they’re probably better than ever) but because humans, both physically and mentally, can sense acceleration (change in speed) but not absolute spee…. […]

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By: kraemder /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-1000054773 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 05:18:55 +0000 /?p=394#comment-1000054773 Reads like all your other posts but I like all your posts so… I am at the intermediate stage myself (hence I’m reading this article) but I still do see progress. I see it when I’m watching anime. Anime varies depending on the content on how easy or hard it is to understand so I don’t see my progress on every series but there’s definitely some anime I watch and I’m like wow.. I understand a lot of what’s going on here. It’s helping me to continue. Aside from that, I’m going forward based on my experience learning other languages (which were European and therefore easier)that it always always always gets better. Just have to be patient.

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By: SRS-less Learning | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-1000007917 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 01:07:23 +0000 /?p=394#comment-1000007917 […] using Anki. It helped me solidify the basics of the language and the very common words. However, I had reached that “intermediate stage,” that stage which seems like you’re on it …. Adding 30 cards a day didn’t seem like it was helping any more. Instead of being the V8 […]

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By: Speaking: You Don’t Have A Linguistic Problem, You Have A Humanity Problem | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-276490 Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:53:21 +0000 /?p=394#comment-276490 […] is more of an “intermediate blues” thing. You’re not a beginner, but you’re not good. Yet. So you start to get frustrated. […]

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By: A bright new morning, a new challenge :-) « Acquiring Hebrew /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-169055 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:55:15 +0000 /?p=394#comment-169055 […] been studying Hebrew for about eight months and am stuck somewhere in the intermediate stage. Sometime’s I’m happy how far I’ve come and feel I can understand and communicate […]

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By: Chagami /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-160120 Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:46:59 +0000 /?p=394#comment-160120 This is one of my favourite AJATT articles, and it seemed only fitting to post my new findings here.

I don’t think I’ve been going through a full blown “Are we there yet” phase, but I have been thinking more about the future than the present lately. Either way, what I realized was that thinking, “I’m at x stage of the journey” is forever placing where I *should* be in the future, and leaves me in a state of uncompleted-ness.

What I’ve found is, the better way to reflect on the situation is simply thinking, “being able to understand and comprehend x amount; it’s my current way of life.” This more present-centric way of thinking seems like a more uplifting way to think about things for me. After all, we don’t go around saying. “yeah, I’m at x stage of life” – we generally just think in the now.

I don’t know, this is probably a twist on something that’s already been covered, but I thought I’d put it out there in case it helped anyone.

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By: Inching Along… | MidoriTea /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-154562 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:29:37 +0000 /?p=394#comment-154562 […] guess this is what Khatzumoto refers to as the “Are We There Yet?” Syndrome, or the “Eternal Sorrow of the Intermediate Learner”–that’s a catchy phrase […]

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By: SilverSpoon BigBoi: You Just Need A Framework That Works. You Just Need Some Direction. | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-141057 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 03:33:41 +0000 /?p=394#comment-141057 […] (in)famous intermediate slump – the one where people fall off the wagon because they can’t feel themselves moving […]

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By: Plane Timeboxing & Timeframe Workboxing « SomeJapaneseAllTimeAround /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-132095 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:52:23 +0000 /?p=394#comment-132095 […] reading AJATT’s Timeboxing Triple Trilogy (TTT/3t xD) and came up with two new variations: Plane Timeboxing and Timeframe Workboxing (could be Workframe Timeboxing, but this way sounds cooler). […]

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By: Miss Language Learning /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-128936 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:15:45 +0000 /?p=394#comment-128936 Intermediate students of any language hit a plateau at some point. As long as you keep on studying and listening (listening is extremely important), you’ll be fine.

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By: Areckx /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-128887 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:21:58 +0000 /?p=394#comment-128887 I actually disagree with downloading can be boring. I have found some very useful websites and references while looking for things, so that it becomes easier later.
 
Use that as a metaphor if you wish…

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By: Special Announcement: SilverSpoon BigBoi — The SilverSpoon for Post-RTKers | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-128257 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:24:00 +0000 /?p=394#comment-128257 […] (in)famous intermediate slump – the one where people fall off the wagon because they can’t feel themselves moving […]

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By: Dax /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-85983 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:22:25 +0000 /?p=394#comment-85983 Thank you Khatzumoto for spreading the positive vibe.
I think that people who have any kind of higher formal education tend to over dramatize language learning process. They would like to cram a grammar , memorize 5000 words and that’s it. Now let’s speak!!! Wait, no, something is not working, ok I MUST learn another 5000 words and revise the grammar, that is like 50 words per day , another 3 months!!! I suck, I am going to kill my self.

In reality, language learning is more process than a chore with the beginning and the end. Also , some people don’t get that one can rarely go to job, study for school, phd or whatever, go to gym , hang out, make a business and travel at the same time! You must be focused in a funny way. Like AJATT, you still have a life and you are enjoying it but you are making progress, far better progress compared to “serious learning” process where you look like a retard , always feel under the pressure and compare with others.

To conclude , keep learning and it is not possible to stay on the same level.

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By: doviende /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-76226 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:32:33 +0000 /?p=394#comment-76226 I must have read this before, but it’s great reading it again.

I’m at exactly this stage in Dutch right now, and having those same thoughts like “alright already, when am I going to stop sucking?”. The thing is, I already have my own evidence because I taught myself fluent German using something “AJATT-like”, and German is reeeally close to Dutch.

So why does my brain insist on telling me that I suck at Dutch and I’m never going to get there, when I’ve already proven that it works in nearly identical circumstances? I guess that’s just the power of your perception during the intermediate stage that you’re not really going that fast, even if you are. Fly a hundred flights, and the take-off will still seem more exciting than the middle.

I guess this also holds some advice for those new to language acquisition: even the “experienced” people feel this way when they’re partway through a language. Focus on the fun instead of the result, and it’ll work itself out.

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By: simon /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-76211 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:21:52 +0000 /?p=394#comment-76211 Dude, this is such an awesome article you wrote. It applies to being an artist so well. Your website is a real inspiration

thanks!

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By: Bucolic Wisdom, Or Stop Slagging Seeds, Silly City Slickers! | All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-49410 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:16:06 +0000 /?p=394#comment-49410 […] it again: all she has to do is do her part. She’ll till the field and never once complain that “I’ve been tilling for 3 weeks and nothing has happened”, because she understands that things have their season. She understands that things grow and mature […]

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By: Drewskie /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-41674 Sun, 02 May 2010 00:00:04 +0000 /?p=394#comment-41674 It’s amazing how relevant this article is to where I’m at right now. Just this week my Japanese project has started having this weird, not-quite-right feeling, and this article addressed it like I was the one who sent the e-mail.

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By: Intermediate « 新記憶の片隅 /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-35178 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:51:43 +0000 /?p=394#comment-35178 […] 9, 2010 As a supplement to this entry I am to point out this entry from […]

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By: All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. » Language Is A Martial Art /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-27845 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:28:35 +0000 /?p=394#comment-27845 […] a language, and even if you’re just a beginner and it all seems impossible, or you’re an intermediate and it all seems interminable, or your advanced and it all seems (what does it seem like? unimprovable?)…You don’t […]

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By: AD /the-eternal-sorrow-of-the-intermediate-learner-are-we-there-yet-syndrome/#comment-27677 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:45:43 +0000 /?p=394#comment-27677 I believe that human growth is logarithmic and not linear, other than that, good post

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