Comments on: Timeboxing Trilogy, Part 7: Isn’t Timeboxing Just A Waste of Time? /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/ You don't know a language, you live it. You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:09:19 +0900 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.13 By: Jigree1 /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-256566 Thu, 04 Oct 2012 03:06:47 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-256566 I find that the times when I “just do it” I am actually using some type of a tool unconsciously. Like when it comes to cleaning I have already implemented the tools to “just get it done”. I don’t think about it consciously, but I break it down into smaller pieces accomplishing one thing at a time, for a specific time frame, and so on. So really there isn’t any “just do it” in life. It’s just that the people who “just do” things are people that have already figured out how to do it. That’s where certain things come naturally for certain people. (different people have problems with different things).

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By: Kimura /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-164396 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:53:43 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-164396 My 2¥: Timeboxing is Super Effective. Not shitting you, 1000 cards due in Anki (875 reviews, 125 new; my inner 赤ちゃん is probably in starvation stasis). Did it all in one day with the power of five-minute timeboxes. Proof here: twitpic.com/7ini4s
 
I know, it wasn’t a solid 1.29 hours of continuous practice (there was about two meals, three hours of Minecraft, and the odd MythBusters episode distributed in there, so probably about six hours of real-world time if you include breaks), but there is no way I would’ve even accomplished that without timeboxing it. (Of course, the “Challenge Accepted” aspect of doing a thousand cards in a day certainally didn’t hurt.)

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By: Timeboxing Trilogy, Part 8: Don’t Those Super-Short Timeboxes Make Timeboxing Meaningless? | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-135836 Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:47:13 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-135836 […] Trilogy, Part 5: Incremental Timeboxing and Mixed TimeboxingTimeboxing Trilogy, Part 6: Q&ATimeboxing Trilogy, Part 7: Isn’t Timeboxing Just A Waste of Time?Timeboxing Trilogy, Part 8: Don’t Those Super-Short Timeboxes Make Timeboxing Meaningless?OK, […]

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By: Critical Frequency: A Brand New Way of Looking At Language Exposure | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-58246 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:06:28 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-58246 […] an STD all on the same day…versus people who plan out that part of their lives more…strategically: they may lack moral purity, but they also lack teenage pregnancy. Sorry for the racy […]

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By: Jonathan /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-51433 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 20:05:38 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-51433 In the past I’ve used the Now Habit with ridiculous amounts of success. This summer between school semesters my workload has dropped to almost nothing, and The Now Habit just never really found a place in my vast oceans of free time.

I went back and forth about timeboxing after barely touching my L2 for almost the whole summer. Finally one day I just “did it” using the decremental timeboxing, and Khatz, thank you again.

Timeboxing rocks so hard. I’ve been motivated to do my L2 more in one day than I did in a whole month earlier this summer. I was afraid of failing and it kept me from revving up Anki and going through the cards/getting sentences. With timeboxing I always win and am always motivated.

There’s natural pauses in what I do. I check my e-mail between time boxes, I sometimes throw in a Bob Dylan song and… it still works. I use my ipod timer, open up the windows, and just do it. After I finish I am hungry for more. Where before the 30 minute Now Habit would leave me exhausted, with the timeboxing I am always shocked how fast it goes and want more!

A great book to pick up is called Brain Rules by Dr. John Medina. It covers 12 overall facts that we definitely know about the brain, and explains some of the science, history and applications of it. One of my favorite chapters is on long-term memory, and it talks almost entirely about spaced repetition as the only proven consistent method of creating long-term memories. The book also says that we tend to lose focus after about 10 minutes of an activity, like class. Timeboxing alleviates this by zipping around before our brains can get bored.

For anyone on the fence I recommend to just “go for it.” Worst case scenario you have lost 10 or less precious minutes of procrastinating in (likely) L1.

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By: zaynah /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-50606 Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:54:04 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-50606 oops, I meant “@blarg”

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By: zaynah /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-50605 Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:35:45 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-50605 blarg@

yea that’s what i do too!

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By: SRS Addict /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-50594 Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:39:21 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-50594 I’ve found that when I use timers, it is easier to focus on stuff. I usually set the timer for 30 minutes, work on the task until the timer is done or until the task is done. This isn’t a problem when I’m in some place other than my home (No problems focusing when at the library, someone else’s home, etc.), so maybe it has something to do with the amount of distractions easily at my disposal when I’m at a very familiar and personal place like my home.

I guess there are a million different names for “using timer to focus.” I saw www.pomodorotechnique.com/ pop up on Lifehacker, and all it seems to be is a glorified 25-minute timer (I find it somewhat silly to say “I did five pomodoros today,” whatever floats his boat, I guess). Regardless of what you call it, using timers has been useful for me.

I personally can’t wait for the release of the “Epic Win” app. Using a shallow (But what I believe will be effective) RPG point system to help incentivize good habits has been on my to-do list for a really long time (I downloaded the Dev kit and had a notebook of design documents). Combine the game itself and a timer, create a reward system, I can’t wait!

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By: blarg /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-50523 Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:44:52 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-50523 Using timers and stuff is boring to me, I find songs work a lot better. I’ll put on some an awesome song, and then try to get as much work done as possible before the song ends.

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By: Caleb /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-50512 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:58:18 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-50512 I resisted doing the super small time boxes for awhile. I was like, I should at least sit down and do this for 10 minutes (as opposed to 1-3 minutes). And usually I was getting my stuff done. But, I hit a bit of a wall after awhile on my SRS reps and they started to drag on throughout the entire day.

I thought, wtf, what do I have to lose. I’ll try this nested time boxing action that Khatz talks of. Not only is it much easier to get started on when it’s only two minutes long, I find I’m actually far more productive. There must be a technical term for this, but I’ve noticed the phenomena of decreasing effectiveness/productivity as time spent on a task increases (a inverse relationship, if you will).

Example: working in blocks of 10 minutes my best ever rep completion number was 55 or something for my SRS sentences deck. THE BEST EVER. Usually 40s. Sometimes mid 30s when I was really dragging it.

Nested timeboxing: working mostly with 3 minute boxes I’ve been consistently hitting 16-22 sentences per timebox (that’s freaking 60-73ish average for a 10 minute block).

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that nested timeboxing not only gets done but is also more productive in terms of actually work done per minute.

Like Khatz I haven’t been taking “rests” in between mini timeboxes. Rather, I do other things I need to (cleaning, stretching my body, dishes, learning to sing songs in my target language, brushing my teeth). These other forms of “work” have also benefited from timeboxing. Not only do the get done more frequently, but the work completed to time ratio is much higher.

To argue against timeboxing in general and nested timeboxing in particular is nearly always the product of not actually having tested out the methods for oneself. In my humble opinion, that is.

Thanks Khatz for helping me out.

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By: brick /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-50492 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:00:12 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-50492 2 more and you’re at a trilogy of trilogies

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By: nacest /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-50487 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:19:19 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-50487 >Tracy exemplifies a healthy attitude toward tools

Too bad he doesn’t appear to make an effort to read the stuff he confutes.

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By: Tyler /timeboxing-trilogy-part-7-qa-2-or-isnt-timeboxing-just-a-waste-of-time/#comment-50484 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:16:24 +0000 /?p=2240#comment-50484 Thoughtful post. I understand the concern: sometimes all the discussion and fiddling with tools, gadgets and strategies is used to procrastinate. But that doesn’t mean that they are inherently bad. Just goes to show that though you can give someone the tools to solve a problem, you still can’t solve their problem for them.

Also: “The difference between timeboxing and “just do it” is the difference between abstinence and contraception” <—– this is a great analogy.

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