Comments on: Tortoises and Hares /tortoises-and-hares/ You don't know a language, you live it. You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:09:19 +0900 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.13 By: Phil /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-1000560501 Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:19:38 +0000 /?p=514#comment-1000560501 I’m really surprised NO ONE caught the contradiction in the very beginning of this article.

You call the fable bollocks, then go on to reinforce the point of the fable. “Slow and steady wins the race.” You literally say that “hares self-flagellate to the point of burnout. Their very obsession with the “race” and “running” it better, faster and longer causes them to come to hate anything to do with “running”.” This is exactly the point of this Aesop’s Fable. Slow down, enjoy it, and don’t kill yourself in the process.

Other than calling a good fable “bollocks,” this is a great read! Kudos.

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By: The Tortoise and the Hare: Revisited | Snapshots of the World /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-1000071848 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:43:33 +0000 /?p=514#comment-1000071848 […] other day, I was reading this old post on AJATT. In it, he argues that in the old fable of to tortoise and the hare the […]

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By: Accepting Chaos | Gaijinsider /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-1000058335 Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:36:32 +0000 /?p=514#comment-1000058335 […] a post on AJAAT a bit ago about focusing on your progress (however small) instead of beating yourself up that you […]

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By: Start Dirty: Why A Clean Slate Is Bad For You and What To Do About It | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-1000054150 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:09:12 +0000 /?p=514#comment-1000054150 […] Sisyphus…except no one is punishing you: you’re the one punishing yourself. You’re self-Sisyphussing, as it were 2. You’re the one forcing the boulder back down the hill, negating your progress, and all […]

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By: [SilverSpoon] Neutrino SinoSpoon: What If Learning Mandarin Could Be As Addictive As Crack, Gambling and Abusive Relationships? | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-1000005538 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 05:37:50 +0000 /?p=514#comment-1000005538 […] Tortoise math isn’t normal math. Tortoise math is the math of tortoises — you know, the kind that race hares. […]

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By: Neutrino: What If Learning Japanese Could Be As Addictive As Crack, Gambling and Abusive Relationships? | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-319822 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:37:09 +0000 /?p=514#comment-319822 […] Tortoise math isn’t normal math. Tortoise math is the math of tortoises — you know, the kind that race hares. […]

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By: Surely One Could Learn Multiple Languages At Once? | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-226558 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:52:32 +0000 /?p=514#comment-226558 […] of mind, I think it could be done. I feel like it would require a deep love for the languages and a tortoise-like attitude — habitual plodding rather than binge-and-purge franticness (“bulimic […]

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By: Lance /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-198947 Thu, 29 Mar 2012 06:15:41 +0000 /?p=514#comment-198947 My method of thinking is that i would do 10 a day and whenever i get done i get done. so far its working out good. I never want to set date of when i want to get something done especially something like memorizing +3,000 kanji. Because i might rush threw it at the end and will not remember the one i rushed through.  

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By: Judith Meyer /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-188994 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:02:36 +0000 /?p=514#comment-188994 Very good point! I’ve also found that taking on too much can lead to not doing anything. However, my personality is such that I do need to set some kind of goal, challenge myself in some way, because otherwise I’m also not doing anything. Studying characters doesn’t seem worthwhile if I can’t say when I might know enough to use them.

I recently wrote a blog post about “fast” and “slow” in language-learning: www.learnlangs.com/blog/2012/02/20/the-controversy-on-learning-fast-and-slowly/ 

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By: Don’t Have High Standards, Have Wide Standards | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-174120 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:00:50 +0000 /?p=514#comment-174120 […] Have High Standards, Have Wide Standards December 7, 2011By khatzumotoLo! And Chagami sayeth: It doesn’t matter how many kanji you do a day/how many sentences you’re learning/how […]

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By: Chagami /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-171085 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:43:44 +0000 /?p=514#comment-171085 When I first started to watch anime raw, I had this notion that I would be “ruining” a good plot line by not understanding most of it. But then I realized, what’s more important: absorbing the message of this anime, or becoming fluent? I thought the answer was obvious.

So relating back to your situation, what’s more important to you? Getting all your kanji down for your internship, or getting the kanji down correctly so you can continue to build and gain fluency?

Also, I wouldn’t worry about the differences in the 5th and 6th edition right now. If this issue is slowing you down to the extent where you actually aren’t doing kanji, then just don’t worry about the the extra kanji in the 6th edition. Just skip them for now, and just check them out at the end with the 5th edition’s supplemental pdf (which is legit and free).

It doesn’t matter how many kanji you do a day/how many sentences you’re learning/how much vocab you’re picking up, all that matters is that progress is being made. I know that sometimes it can feel like we’re lowering our standards by just striving to make progress, but then again, if you are like me, who had month long gaps in the initial stages of RTK study, maybe it isn’t a lower standard after all.
 
I hope this helps!

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By: Kimura /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-170636 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 06:48:42 +0000 /?p=514#comment-170636 That “attempting to force 100 kanji a day” thing is what really nailed it for me. My original plan was to finish RTK by the end of the year, and at my current amount of completion (~450 kanji), I’d have to do 100 a day to get there. But lately I’ve been looking at that amount in Anki and going “Screw it, I’m playing Minecraft.” But at the same time, dropping it down to my if-I’m-lucky rate of 25 kanji a day means I won’t finish in time for what I need to do (an internship at a local Japanese cultural center, but I’ll probably be using English there anyway). I dunno, maybe 25 kanji twice a day, see what happens? Or just drop down to just 25 kanji once a day, since my retention level is bombing right now…
Probably the other thing that’s slowing me down is the prep work I have to do, since the deck I’m using 1) removed about 150 rarely-used kanji (it’s the Japanese Level Up deck), and 2) is configured for 5th edition while my copy of RTK is 6th edition, so I have to figure out which ones in the book are actually in the deck before I can do them…

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By: Marc /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-170070 Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:08:15 +0000 /?p=514#comment-170070 I more or less realized this stuff conciously when we had to clean up the living room, and my wife said she didn’t even know where to start… I just pick up the neasrest piece of rubbish and put it where it belongs, picking up other stuff (or not) when I pass it. There’s no system, but the room’s clean before you know it 🙂
Nice article!

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By: Miss Language Learning /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-151928 Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:00:34 +0000 /?p=514#comment-151928 I want to be a tortoise. They’re cool and cuddly. And they get things done.

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By: AJATT SilverSpoon: You Will Be Fluent in Japanese 595 Days From Now | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-96372 Wed, 04 May 2011 06:37:24 +0000 /?p=514#comment-96372 […] Tortoise math isn’t normal math. Tortoise math is the math of tortoises — you know, the kind that race hares. […]

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By: Brainwashing Yourself for Fun and Profit « muflax' mindstream /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-84998 Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:27:23 +0000 /?p=514#comment-84998 […] aspect of this is consistent small progress, or in Khatzu's words, tortoises versus hares. I've finally seen the light (Hallelujah!) on this because of two […]

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By: Patrick /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-75453 Wed, 02 Feb 2011 22:35:12 +0000 /?p=514#comment-75453 “I learned Japanese almost by accident.”

I know exactly what you mean. After studying Kanji everyday for a couple months it just becomes part of you and something you do without stress. It’s a lifestyle change and if you’re willing to make it, the language is yours.

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By: Some random guy /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-58787 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:18:07 +0000 /?p=514#comment-58787 I have been following your blog for quite some time, and I figured out that when I am a hare, I never remember any kanji at all. However, when I do the tortoise, It dawned to me that I nearly recognized all the JLPT N5 Kanji (yeah, I’m still there). Thanks for the awesome post. It was really inspirational ( and the first on that got me to comment on it!). I feel like I just want to jump in doing everything in Japanese without that slow and steady transition!

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By: Tyler /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-49894 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:02:25 +0000 /?p=514#comment-49894 I got a fortune from a fortune cookie the other day that reminded me of this post.

“Winners forget they’re in a race, they just love to run.”

Ultimately, if you make the experience as enjoyable as possible and keep from focusing on getting it over with, you’ll be better off in the long run. The thing is just to get lost in the language, to enjoy running for running’s sake. Everything else will take care of itself eventually.

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By: Chris /tortoises-and-hares/#comment-48588 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:58:40 +0000 /?p=514#comment-48588 I guess after reading all your posts I’m really a tortoise o.o

I usually don’t even get through even ten kanji a day even though I spend maybe three or four hours per day at minimum immersed in Japanese (and enjoying it). So after about a year and a half I know around 700 kanji, which seems like not much at all after reading what you guys say. Most of you are using Heisig right? I’ve tried it a few times, but I find it ineffective for myself. I think that I’d much rather learn word compounds then kanji strictly by themselves.

I don’t know so well, but for myself using an SRS and Heisig have bored me, so I just spend time now reading books and news articles, and looking up new words 😛

Hopefully there isn’t anything wrong with this (>.<)

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